ok the next two posts as per the plan were something more innocent...but coming back from the gym i was pondering on this topic...hence i will post this topic :P
so if u read the last post...it was about aghoris and nakedness in a relationship...
but i didn't interconnect the two...i will now...in just a minute...but i need to spend a few lines on a build up to that...
sex can be an addiction...done out of the force of habit...it can be spiritual...where u deliberate on every moment of it
smoking can be an addiction...done out of the force of habit...it can be spiritual...where u enjoy every puff of it
living can be an addiction...where u live out of the force of habit...or it can be spiritual...where u can feel the energy of every breathe that enters your body
so now i come to relationships and aghoris...a relationship and here i'm just restricting myself to romantic relationships...is a commune of two people...
and now switching to aghoris...the whole concept of aghoris is to end the concept of duality...of difference...and that by the most agressive way...the most horrifying way to normal people...
and i was wondering is kinky sex an expression of the same...the pain, the humiliation...of a strapon sex...of footworship...of flogging...of collaring her...i'll not go into further descriptions...but the more i think about it...the more i believe kinky sex is about stripping the partners of their dignity...that one layer of duality that separates the two...once the ego is gone...the two partners are no longer two...they may be physically two bodies...but the trust and understanding between the two...is of one person.
it may not be the only way of establishing singularity of existence between two people...it may be the aghori way...but that's what i understand it is...
Showing posts with label sex. Show all posts
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Saturday, January 24, 2009
Saturday, May 17, 2008
sex
Just that one word like religion holds a power in itself. Clinton almost lost his presidency and marriage to it. And as indian economy booms and more kids start living independently we have started being more bold about this topic and more experimentative about it.
But despite the mystery and aura that shrouds it sex is nothing but one of things we do. It is not a sin, not an elixir...just an act of pleasure and recreation.
Can it ever be tied to sin, i believe it can, when lies are involved to get it...when feelings our hurt because of it.
Can it be associated to religion, i believe it can, when it doesnt become just an force of habit, but an event to be celebrated, as osho says...smoking by itself is not bad....its the habit that is habit, even praying as a habit is bad...if u give ure full devotion to the cigarette while smoking it, or to god when praying it is an act of worship of celebration...when sex is carried out with that level of intensity it can be called worship.
other aspects of this whole matter which pertrub me are...promiscuity, casual sex and perversion. Is having had too many partners promiscuity and when does the count call become too many? or even if u have had it with one or two...does it always need to be only when you are in love or is casual sex as good or bad as involved sex? and where does perversion fit in...group sex, swingers, lesbians and gays, kinks and fetishes...
And since i can't begin to fathom the impact or direction of these on society i reserve my thoughts to only the basic principle i believe in, our actions should not be such that they cause emotional or physical injustice to anybody, and that sometimes one can be daring and experiment with life at other times one must play safe.
brining the subject to a close...it is but an instrument of recreation and procreation...and so one shud try and make it as special as religion and when it comes to our offspring ensure the best nutrition and healthiest environment for them to grow up in
But despite the mystery and aura that shrouds it sex is nothing but one of things we do. It is not a sin, not an elixir...just an act of pleasure and recreation.
Can it ever be tied to sin, i believe it can, when lies are involved to get it...when feelings our hurt because of it.
Can it be associated to religion, i believe it can, when it doesnt become just an force of habit, but an event to be celebrated, as osho says...smoking by itself is not bad....its the habit that is habit, even praying as a habit is bad...if u give ure full devotion to the cigarette while smoking it, or to god when praying it is an act of worship of celebration...when sex is carried out with that level of intensity it can be called worship.
other aspects of this whole matter which pertrub me are...promiscuity, casual sex and perversion. Is having had too many partners promiscuity and when does the count call become too many? or even if u have had it with one or two...does it always need to be only when you are in love or is casual sex as good or bad as involved sex? and where does perversion fit in...group sex, swingers, lesbians and gays, kinks and fetishes...
And since i can't begin to fathom the impact or direction of these on society i reserve my thoughts to only the basic principle i believe in, our actions should not be such that they cause emotional or physical injustice to anybody, and that sometimes one can be daring and experiment with life at other times one must play safe.
brining the subject to a close...it is but an instrument of recreation and procreation...and so one shud try and make it as special as religion and when it comes to our offspring ensure the best nutrition and healthiest environment for them to grow up in
Thursday, June 7, 2007
hope and hopelessness of love, drugs and meditation
3:38 PM me: haan to question yeh thaa breaking our truce...if u don't believe in real life romance...r u intending to get married....?
3:39 PM Seema: right now.. NO
i dont know if i'd change my mind
3:40 PM me: not right now but if u don't believe in love as a possibility...then what would be the reason for u to get married
matbal like if u thought there was no good ending possible to that story or ne other story to phir why...even 5 yrs downt he line why (the story referred to is ‘what men want’ can be found in my stories blog callmesmith.blogspot.com , the issue being her firm stance that the ending in the story is only partial and I real life it would only go on further to be a heartbreak)
3:41 PM Seema: i said NO
i dont think i wanna get married ever
thats wt i think right now
3:42 PM me: ok so now next question...if u don't believe in love and hence see no reason to get married...what abt sex....u in for it, against it...watz ure stand on that
3:43 PM Seema: right now m figurin out if i shud continue in this college another year
sex is not exactly on my mind u c
3:44 PM me: or drop it and join air hostess course...i think they have a minimum height reqt...
Seema: i was thinkin i cud abandon material world
go to some ashram
have charas everyday
me: charas costs money btw
Seema: n pray
its almost free in a few places
3:45 PM rishikesh
water'd cost u more
its like a charas-ganja haven
me: really like where...kulu hills also they will make u pay
the whole biz of drugs runs on money
really u ever got some..or know someone who gets it for free
Seema: its diff in rishikesh
3:46 PM these babas they got loads on em
money aint a problem
me: babas get a lot of money also btw
Seema: they just need followers to keep it goin for em
me: yes i can imagine u naked wid ash on ure body smokign charas....yes the whole picture looks very clear
3:47 PM Seema: disgustin gilli
we talkin sanyaas
me: :P
Seema: n dope
u dont respect anythin do u?
me: sanyas has got nothing to do wid dope...ure jst talking dope
Seema: it does
me: i respect thought
Seema: u havent seen a lot of ashrams
3:48 PM its easier to meditate
wen high
u can lose ur self
materially
otherwise its very difficult
me: i have a religious guru...an actual religious guru...if u've ever heard of birla ghat and taat waale babaji in haridwar
Seema: think i have
3:49 PM all my life i have only heard of babajis
me: i heard them talking abt the virtues of milk, of excercise of meditation of bhakti...never of charas
3:50 PM Seema: my dad visits this guy.. guru.. he doesnt talk food.. milk/dope/whatever
stays away from crowds
upon a hill smwr
3:51 PM u'd have to trek to reach him
seems like a genuine guy
no money.. no followers
he cares a damn
3:52 PM me: yes now that is how i wud describe an ascetic...dope isn't included
Seema: hmm
me: there are dopeys too i agree
but in them
Seema: i havent quite reached that level u know
me: i agree with the aghoris
they dope and all
Seema: ya
me: followers of shiva
3:53 PM but their complete philosophy is that nothing in god's creation is disgusting or to be despised
they live in sewers...
wear ash
dope
one of their rituals include consumptuon of meat of dead human
3:54 PM Seema: ya i know
me: ....
Seema: they eat in a skull
me: they i agree wid..
Seema: i dont see myself doin that
me: but meditation and dope don't go...
Seema: even if i think its kinda okay
me: u either dope or u meditate
Seema: u know they do
3:55 PM kinda do
u can meditate however u like
me: one lets the mind wander to thoughtlessness, other concentrates the mind to thoughtlessness
Seema: u just need that state of mind
doesnt matter what takes u there
me: ya but like u can't mix allopathic and homeopathic
same way u can't mix the other two
3:56 PM Seema: see it is more about the end result
to most ppl
u r right it'd not b the same
but i see no harm in startin off like tht
me: haan but u can't take a two horse horse cart...make one turn left other turn right and still hope to move
Seema: only that there are no two horses
3:57 PM me: yes experimenting is not bad...though if u get caught like jim morrison...
then u end up sad and dead in bath tub
Seema: who decides wts wrong n wts not
its wrong wen u know that it is n u still do it
3:58 PM me: not saying nething is wrong...lots of ppl who try meditating wud never reach newhere...
Seema: otherwise it is all hypothetical
me: and ppl who dope maybe happy
Seema: ethics n moral codes n all
me: but the reverse is also possible
i dont talk abt ethics and morals
Seema: anythin is possible
thats y i say its the state of mind that is more important
me: my only ethic/moral/principal is to never hurt nebody or think ill of nebody
other than that u know i have no prinicples
Seema: diff ppl have diff reasons to dope
3:59 PM depends on wt i think principles are
i dont think anything is wrong as long as u not harmin a second person
do wtever u will to urself
ur life
me: we seem to be on similar lines there
4:00 PM Seema: hmm
thats how it shud b u know
with everyone
life'd b so much simpler
me: yeah there's this kid ...met online..she's in xaviers...
4:02 PM now she and her gang members watch porn...rag juniors including guys in kinda sexual manners , will hang out wid guys..but she won't jerk off or have sex or even kiss any guy...coz in her mind as long she doenst do that she's decent !!!!
and like she's majorly fixed on porn and i was like kiddo..the day u started thinking..decency flew out of the window...:P
:P
4:03 PM neways each to theirs
Seema: ya
if she thinks she's right
then be it
4:04 PM i hate ppl who r guilty
cmon dont do it
as simple as that
me: yeah...
4:05 PM if i ever manage to organize 'the naked mile' run in india will send u an invite...
:)
Seema: hahaha
4:06 PM but wt wud b the objective
me: what has always been the objective...to break rules
rules the anithema of mankind
prevent development
4:07 PM Seema: hmm
but y wud u break rules without any objective n just for the heck of it
4:08 PM me: because just the act of breaking rules proclaims that we are free as humans, ppl of free thought, ppl who will ask questions...
4:09 PM ppl who will not be cowered down by shiv sena or the govt...
Seema: but y cant ppl do that wen there is a reason
me: the only thing we will not do is harm, others
Seema: most of these naked mile athletes wud bak off then
me: yeah thats there too...
Seema: hypocrisy...
4:10 PM me: not exactly chains....
everybody has chains
some manage to break free some don't
4:11 PM Seema: but i just think ppl have gotta b sure of et they blv in
me: i wouldn't sit in judgement upon those who cant
Seema: know its not as simple as it sounds
but they shud try
4:12 PM me: shud...who knows may be they have also...but like u don't seem keen to try meditating withiout dope they might not want to try revolting by leaving money or career etc
lots of desires and fears govern us...
and thats where this conversation petered off due to other engagements....leave u all to ure own thoughts on this...
3:39 PM Seema: right now.. NO
i dont know if i'd change my mind
3:40 PM me: not right now but if u don't believe in love as a possibility...then what would be the reason for u to get married
matbal like if u thought there was no good ending possible to that story or ne other story to phir why...even 5 yrs downt he line why (the story referred to is ‘what men want’ can be found in my stories blog callmesmith.blogspot.com , the issue being her firm stance that the ending in the story is only partial and I real life it would only go on further to be a heartbreak)
3:41 PM Seema: i said NO
i dont think i wanna get married ever
thats wt i think right now
3:42 PM me: ok so now next question...if u don't believe in love and hence see no reason to get married...what abt sex....u in for it, against it...watz ure stand on that
3:43 PM Seema: right now m figurin out if i shud continue in this college another year
sex is not exactly on my mind u c
3:44 PM me: or drop it and join air hostess course...i think they have a minimum height reqt...
Seema: i was thinkin i cud abandon material world
go to some ashram
have charas everyday
me: charas costs money btw
Seema: n pray
its almost free in a few places
3:45 PM rishikesh
water'd cost u more
its like a charas-ganja haven
me: really like where...kulu hills also they will make u pay
the whole biz of drugs runs on money
really u ever got some..or know someone who gets it for free
Seema: its diff in rishikesh
3:46 PM these babas they got loads on em
money aint a problem
me: babas get a lot of money also btw
Seema: they just need followers to keep it goin for em
me: yes i can imagine u naked wid ash on ure body smokign charas....yes the whole picture looks very clear
3:47 PM Seema: disgustin gilli
we talkin sanyaas
me: :P
Seema: n dope
u dont respect anythin do u?
me: sanyas has got nothing to do wid dope...ure jst talking dope
Seema: it does
me: i respect thought
Seema: u havent seen a lot of ashrams
3:48 PM its easier to meditate
wen high
u can lose ur self
materially
otherwise its very difficult
me: i have a religious guru...an actual religious guru...if u've ever heard of birla ghat and taat waale babaji in haridwar
Seema: think i have
3:49 PM all my life i have only heard of babajis
me: i heard them talking abt the virtues of milk, of excercise of meditation of bhakti...never of charas
3:50 PM Seema: my dad visits this guy.. guru.. he doesnt talk food.. milk/dope/whatever
stays away from crowds
upon a hill smwr
3:51 PM u'd have to trek to reach him
seems like a genuine guy
no money.. no followers
he cares a damn
3:52 PM me: yes now that is how i wud describe an ascetic...dope isn't included
Seema: hmm
me: there are dopeys too i agree
but in them
Seema: i havent quite reached that level u know
me: i agree with the aghoris
they dope and all
Seema: ya
me: followers of shiva
3:53 PM but their complete philosophy is that nothing in god's creation is disgusting or to be despised
they live in sewers...
wear ash
dope
one of their rituals include consumptuon of meat of dead human
3:54 PM Seema: ya i know
me: ....
Seema: they eat in a skull
me: they i agree wid..
Seema: i dont see myself doin that
me: but meditation and dope don't go...
Seema: even if i think its kinda okay
me: u either dope or u meditate
Seema: u know they do
3:55 PM kinda do
u can meditate however u like
me: one lets the mind wander to thoughtlessness, other concentrates the mind to thoughtlessness
Seema: u just need that state of mind
doesnt matter what takes u there
me: ya but like u can't mix allopathic and homeopathic
same way u can't mix the other two
3:56 PM Seema: see it is more about the end result
to most ppl
u r right it'd not b the same
but i see no harm in startin off like tht
me: haan but u can't take a two horse horse cart...make one turn left other turn right and still hope to move
Seema: only that there are no two horses
3:57 PM me: yes experimenting is not bad...though if u get caught like jim morrison...
then u end up sad and dead in bath tub
Seema: who decides wts wrong n wts not
its wrong wen u know that it is n u still do it
3:58 PM me: not saying nething is wrong...lots of ppl who try meditating wud never reach newhere...
Seema: otherwise it is all hypothetical
me: and ppl who dope maybe happy
Seema: ethics n moral codes n all
me: but the reverse is also possible
i dont talk abt ethics and morals
Seema: anythin is possible
thats y i say its the state of mind that is more important
me: my only ethic/moral/principal is to never hurt nebody or think ill of nebody
other than that u know i have no prinicples
Seema: diff ppl have diff reasons to dope
3:59 PM depends on wt i think principles are
i dont think anything is wrong as long as u not harmin a second person
do wtever u will to urself
ur life
me: we seem to be on similar lines there
4:00 PM Seema: hmm
thats how it shud b u know
with everyone
life'd b so much simpler
me: yeah there's this kid ...met online..she's in xaviers...
4:02 PM now she and her gang members watch porn...rag juniors including guys in kinda sexual manners , will hang out wid guys..but she won't jerk off or have sex or even kiss any guy...coz in her mind as long she doenst do that she's decent !!!!
and like she's majorly fixed on porn and i was like kiddo..the day u started thinking..decency flew out of the window...:P
:P
4:03 PM neways each to theirs
Seema: ya
if she thinks she's right
then be it
4:04 PM i hate ppl who r guilty
cmon dont do it
as simple as that
me: yeah...
4:05 PM if i ever manage to organize 'the naked mile' run in india will send u an invite...
:)
Seema: hahaha
4:06 PM but wt wud b the objective
me: what has always been the objective...to break rules
rules the anithema of mankind
prevent development
4:07 PM Seema: hmm
but y wud u break rules without any objective n just for the heck of it
4:08 PM me: because just the act of breaking rules proclaims that we are free as humans, ppl of free thought, ppl who will ask questions...
4:09 PM ppl who will not be cowered down by shiv sena or the govt...
Seema: but y cant ppl do that wen there is a reason
me: the only thing we will not do is harm, others
Seema: most of these naked mile athletes wud bak off then
me: yeah thats there too...
Seema: hypocrisy...
4:10 PM me: not exactly chains....
everybody has chains
some manage to break free some don't
4:11 PM Seema: but i just think ppl have gotta b sure of et they blv in
me: i wouldn't sit in judgement upon those who cant
Seema: know its not as simple as it sounds
but they shud try
4:12 PM me: shud...who knows may be they have also...but like u don't seem keen to try meditating withiout dope they might not want to try revolting by leaving money or career etc
lots of desires and fears govern us...
and thats where this conversation petered off due to other engagements....leave u all to ure own thoughts on this...
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